Sadia Azmat and Monty Onanuga live in London but neither of them « look » British. Rokhaya Diallo and Grace Ly welcome the podcasters of No Country For Young Women (BBC Sounds) for a special episode.

How different is it to be a non-white person in France and in the UK ? Are Paris and London mixed and diverse cities ? How do Sadia, Monty, Rokhaya and Grace deal with their identities ? And most importantly, why do these conversations matter ? 

For an hour, they talk about first names, life at work, burqa ban, (not so) cute French men, public spaces, colonial history and how to survive as a woman of colour in both countries.

This episode was recorded live at the 2019 Paris Podcast Festival.

In 2017, the New York Times published an editorial about how « France Fails to Face Up to Racism ». Two years later, Mediapart publishing editor Edwy Plenel says that the persistence of the systemic, social and cultural racism endured in France is a sign of how France has ignored the issue of colonialism. Read « Why new ‘anti-White racism’ ideology is the legacy of ignoring France’s colonial question ».

You can listen to all episodes of No Country For Young Women and especially this episode : Paris, racism and Rokhaya Diallo & Grace Ly.

Kiffe ta race is a Binge Audio podcast hosted by Rokhaya Diallo and Grace Ly. This episode was made by Hannah Hufford of the BBC, Dieynaba Thioune, Camille Regache, Diane Jean, David Carzon, Gabrielle Boeri-Charles and Joël Ronez of Binge Audio. Our theme music is by Shkyd. Our visuals are designed by Manon Louvard of Upian. Special thanks to the Paris Podcast Festival for inviting Binge Audio and BBC Sounds.